Author Topic: Header Fetching currently not supported  (Read 30076 times)

Sc0tTy

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Header Fetching currently not supported
« on: January 13, 2007, 07:06:20 am »
Because i see a lot of people posting requests about header fetching i thought a sticky would do nicely .

alt.binz currently doesnt support header fetching , you can use one of the integrated search engines to search files.

new requests about header fetching will now be deleted.

Greetz ,
Sc0tTy

spod

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Header Fetching currently not supported
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 12:26:24 am »
I propose allowing multiple connections for downloading headers. Most newsreaders don't do this, and only use a single connection for headers.

I've never understood why a binary newsreader will allow dozens of connections for article downloads, but only a single connection for header downloads - but that's what most newsreaders do.

hjasdasd

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Is alt-binz going to support header download?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2007, 10:29:49 pm »
I am so happy with the alt-binz - low memory usage, automatic un-rar, super search support. So wonderful! The only thing I REALLY want is head downlaod. Now I have to switch to newsleecher occasionally for download headers from my favorite group!

Is altbinz going to support header download soon?

Thank you very much for such a nice program!

HUNNY

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Re: Is alt-binz going to support header download?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2007, 08:10:41 pm »
Quote from: "hjasdasd"
I am so happy with the alt-binz - low memory usage, automatic un-rar, super search support. So wonderful! The only thing I REALLY want is head downlaod. Now I have to switch to newsleecher occasionally for download headers from my favorite group!

Is altbinz going to support header download soon?

Thank you very much for such a nice program!


You can browse ALL the newsgroups with the most search engines!!
no need for headering!
That proces is not need anymore.

An example,I made a screenshot for you:
http://www.uploaddump.nl/f-163232.html
(bv Alt.binaries.boneless)

Or :
 http://www.uploaddump.nl/f-163283.html

(alt.binaries.mp3)
Alt.Binz will do that much quicker   with it's search engines.
That is a reason I don't use Newsleecher anymore,it takes too much time.
Alt.Binz is a much more clever program!!!


Gr Hunny :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

gointern

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Re: Is alt-binz going to support header download?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2007, 08:13:55 am »
Quote from: "HUNNY"
Quote from: "hjasdasd"
I am so happy with the alt-binz - low memory usage, automatic un-rar, super search support. So wonderful! The only thing I REALLY want is head downlaod. Now I have to switch to newsleecher occasionally for download headers from my favorite group!

Is altbinz going to support header download soon?

Thank you very much for such a nice program!


You can browse ALL the newsgroups with the most search engines!!
no need for headering!
That proces is not need anymore.

An example,I made a screenshot for you:
http://www.uploaddump.nl/f-163232.html
(bv Alt.binaries.boneless)

Or :
 http://www.uploaddump.nl/f-163283.html

(alt.binaries.mp3)
Alt.Binz will do that much quicker   with it's search engines.
That is a reason I don't use Newsleecher anymore,it takes too much time.
Alt.Binz is a much more clever program!!!


Gr Hunny :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


nonsence... even if headering takes longer you get the updates as they are uploaded. search engines have indexing intervals for popular groups and updates, for not so popular groups, come even later. What happens if the search engine goes down? Good luck getting a tv show the same day :) I would love to see header fetching support. damn newsleecher crashes all the time because of the problems with the cache.

any idea if this feature gonna be added soon?

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Re: Is alt-binz going to support header download?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 08:37:55 pm »
Quote from: "HUNNY"

You can browse ALL the newsgroups with the most search engines!!
no need for headering!
That proces is not need anymore.


Not quite.

Indexing sites all pull headers themselves, and most of these pulls are done at quite lengthy time intervals ( I think Newzbin do theirs every couple of hours).  Sometimes you need things as quickly as possible, e.g. if you want to watch a certain episode before you go bed and headers are the only way of doing this.

I must say, the inability to download headers is kind of a deal breaker for me.  The only reason I do not use SabNZBd anymore is because I hate having to switch over Newsleecher just to get headers.  So, I was hoping Alt.Binz would be a happy middleground.  I suppose I will just have to keep checking back now and again to see if it's been implemented. :)

Offline Hecks

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 11:34:51 pm »
Well, of course these things vary from site to site, and between groups, but look at these current stats for alt.binaries.multimedia:

Newzleech < 1 mins
SuperSearch ~  3 mins
aEton  ~ 12 mins
Binsearch ~ 17 mins

That's good enough for me compared with the hassle of dealing with headers.  Text groups are another matter, but then I'd use a reader for those anyway.  Since I stopped dowloading headers, I've really not been able to understand the attraction they still hold for others.  Just one of those things, I suppose.

-Hecks

ChimChim

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Header Fetching currently not supported
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2007, 06:14:33 pm »
Good program if you use or get NZB files etc.

But...

    * Not all searches bring results.
    * Not all posters use nzb or nfo files.
    * Not all posters use common file names
    * Many posters misspell words by accident or on purpose.
    * Many files are abbreviated names & can only be deciphered by using your brain.


With nzb files I use alt.binz because it is much less of a resource hog than newsleecher.

On the other hand if you have a good connection it shouldn't take long to get new headers in a group.
Except maybe boneless which you should probably get new headers a couple times a day to keep the new header count low.

I can find more of the files I seek by getting headers & Using the scenarios above.

Offline Hecks

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2007, 11:59:28 pm »
I think you misunderstand how Alt.binz works.  Yes, you can use external NZBs with it, but really the best way is to search with the inbuilt search engines.  These index files directly from Usenet, so the subject lines you see are *exactly the same* as the headers you would ordinarily download yourself.  The only difference is that most sites have some kind of autogrouping function, so collections of files are grouped together under the same subject (something that's on the cards for the next version of Newsleecher, btw).  When you add these files to the queue, the sites generate NZBs dynamically - they're not pre-posted by users - and Alt.binz handles them as intermediate files to get the message IDs (though you can save them if you want).  You *don't* have to download the NZBs provided by the original poster.  So there's absolutely no chance of spelling errors or the like: you're getting exactly what you'd get by downloading headers, but in a fraction of the time, using a fraction of the bandwidth, and with no danger of losing all your data if the app crashes.

You can also browse all posts in a single group by using the Browse button on e.g. the Binsearch or Newzleech tabs.

Since sites like Newzleech usually have stuff indexed within 10 minutes, the only chance of not being able to find stuff this way vs headers is if the engine doesn't index the group.  But then you can use Xpat if your server supports it.

I hope that's clarified things for you. :)

-Hecks

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2007, 09:42:35 pm »
Can headers be added sometime soon.

Offline Hecks

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2007, 10:30:07 pm »
Quote from: "Pantera"
Can headers be added sometime soon.

Why?

-Hecks

Offline Pantera

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2007, 12:26:33 am »
One of the reasons why is because you don't always know what your searching for. For example if you go thru a channel you might be like oh i remember that artists etc.. or that sounds like something I might wanna read. Another reason is because alot of open source projects example mozilla, sourceforge use newsgroups for discussions.

Offline Hecks

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2007, 05:27:01 am »
Quote from: "Pantera"
One of the reasons why is because you don't always know what your searching for. For example if you go thru a channel you might be like oh i remember that artists etc.. or that sounds like something I might wanna read. Another reason is because alot of open source projects example mozilla, sourceforge use newsgroups for discussions.

The 'Browse' button covers the first - which has the added advantage of taking 0.1% of the time and bandwidth it would take to do the same job by downloading all headers for all groups you may or may not be interested in.  I know because I do this every day, and it usually takes me about 5 minutes to flick through my favourite groups, whereas doing the same with headers could sometimes take hours.  Not to mention the frustrations of your local cache becoming corrupted and needing to do the whole lot again (yes, Newsleecher, I'm looking at you).

As for the second, Alt.binz isn't really set up to be a text newsgroup reader; for a start. it has no message viewer, and no means of replying/posting.  There are plenty of alternatives for that, not least Google Groups,- which again, makes better sense from a time and bandwidth pov - or Outlook Express, which comes free with every copy of Windows.

-Hecks

Frasier

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Re: Header Fetching currently not supported
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2008, 01:16:11 pm »
@Hecks: did you notice that the search engines do not cover all available newsgroups? They are missing a lot of very important binary groups, like "a.b.u-4all". With AltBinz, there's no way to download anything from the groups not indexed by the search engines.

This is definitely a good reason to implement header downloading! This should not be difficult anyway - AltBinz already supports getting the list of newsgroups on the server, but what for? What's the point of doing that if it can't display the group headers anyway?

I would like to see header download implemented, because only with this feature AltBinz could really be a competitive product to the established programs. There are many posts you simply can not find with binsearch, newzleech, etc. and I always have to use NewsLeecher just to find these postings. That's pretty annoying and if AltBinz could show me the headers in a group, it would all be fine. Also, this would make it possible to read text messages related to posts (not just the NFOs), which also would help a lot.

Regards!

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Re: Header Fetching currently not supported
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 03:30:25 pm »
a.b.u-4all is indexed by Binsearch in the extended 'Other' list and NZBIndex, for a start.  I wouldn't call it an important group, though.  You can also request that groups be added to e.g. Newzleech or NLSS (use the form).

Maintaining a local cache of downloaded headers for all and every possible group that you may be interested in for searching is slow, wasteful of bandwidth and local resources, and is not how Alt.Binz is currently set up to work.  The list of newsgroups on the Newsgroups tab is for XPAT searching.  I disagree that there are "many posts that you cannot find".  You can read text messages posted in binary groups with Alt.Binz - just download them as normal.  Alt.Binz doesn't cover text-only groups because it's a binary newsgroup reader.

Anything else?